Proving Election Interference with Paul Furber | SEAN MORGAN REPORT Ep.8

In this episode of SMR, Sean Morgan interviews Paul Furber about the strategy at play with a smiling Trump welcoming indictments. Next, the NYT covers for radical activists in South Africa inciting racial violence.

Join us on a gripping exploration of the recent indictment of Donald J. Trump as we probe the heart of this legal drama with our guest, renowned author and journalist, Paul Berber. We dissect the indictment's details and timing, discussing why Trump wasn't charged with incitement to violence and how this could potentially affect his right to free speech. As we delve into the discovery process, we're left wondering: Could this be a calculated tactic to tie up Trump in the run-up to the 2024 presidential race? 


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Speaker 1: 0:00

Next, on the Sean Morgan Report, paul Berber tells us what it's really like in South Africa and also gives us his analysis on the Trump indictment. We're going to question the mainstream narrative and expose media propaganda right now.

Speaker 2: 0:11

That's a great question. That's a good question. That's a great question. That's a great question.

Speaker 1: 0:15

Well, that's a really good question, that's a great question. Well, you're right.

Speaker 2: 0:33

Today, an indictment was unsealed charging Donald J Trump with conspiring to defraud the United States, conspiring to disenfranchise voters and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. The indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the District of Columbia and it sets forth the crimes charged in detail.

Speaker 1: 0:58

That was Jack Smith and that was his recent announcement. We're going to get the thoughts of Paul Berber from Paul Berbernet, researcher, author, journalist. Paul, what were your thoughts when you saw Jack Smith, or you heard of it or read it in an article that this indictment was unsealed?

Speaker 3: 1:19

Yeah, I found it more interesting what he didn't say. He very specifically didn't charge Trump with incitement to violence on January 6, 2021. In fact, after all that he said about how the riot was so terrible, why not charge Trump with incitement to violence? So, yeah, it's a strange indictment. He alleges that Trump is claiming. He alleges that Trump's claims about the 2020 election were false and that Trump knew they were false, when pretty much everyone from Barney the dinosaur upwards can see that that was the most fraudulent election in history. I think and I know we're going to get to it later on in the show that this is very much a. It's a campaign to tie up Trump during his presidential run in 2024 with legal maneuverance. You know, funds, resources, time and attention has got to go into fighting all this, because the legal and executive structures of the American government have been weaponized against him and, yeah, I think, because they just desperately cannot afford for him to become present again, because if he does, then they know they all swing from nooses.

Speaker 1: 2:49

Right and the timing is very curious. I mean, jen, this happened a long time ago. At this point, why didn't they charge him earlier? Of course they're charging him right when he's running for president again. Let's take a look at the announcement from his lawyer Trump's lawyer discussing the timeline, because the timing of these different indictments are very curious as well.

Speaker 4: 3:15

Let's take a look Alina Habba coming up for a couple of questions here.

Speaker 5: 3:19

How are you doing? How are you Good? Good, the fact that I am standing here for the third time in five months is not a coincidence. This is the Biden political lawfare that we have seen time and time again. It is a deflection from everything that they have done. And if you don't believe me, look at the facts. On March 17th, hunter accidentally admits that it was his laptop from hell. The next day, da Alvin Bragg in Dites President Trump. June 8th, an FBI document is released showing that the Ukrainians paid the Biden crime family millions and millions of dollars. The next day, the Mar-a-Lago raid and the Mar-a-Lago indictment. Last week, hunter Biden's sweetheart plea deal fell through when the judge realized it had blanket immunity. The following day, a superseding indictment against Donald Trump. July 31st, devon Archer goes to testify in front of the House. That was only after they failed to put him in jail, prior to the fact what happens. The next day, the January 6th indictment that we're here for today.

Speaker 1: 4:48

Well, I think that illustrated it pretty well that this is lawfare between really two groups that want to Control America one that we believe is democratically elected and the other one an illegitimate Regime. That's basically stolen power, and they're throwing everything they can at Trump. But Trump's smiling Trump actually is making some pretty interesting remarks on social media. I'm saying he only needs one more indictment to be for his election to be guaranteed. I mean so he is acknowledging that these indictments are actually strengthening him.

Speaker 3: 5:30

Yes, paradoxically, trump wants to be indicted. He actually wants to be arrested and he wants to be tried. I really I believe that he wants to be tried. He wants to have the chance to invoke discovery and To bring evidence before a court. I don't know whether it will get that. I don't know whether the left will actually push it that far, because they're well aware the Trump will run rings around them, especially with his lawyers in, you know, in a legal setting, in a courtroom. This is yeah, I agree with this his attorney.

Speaker 3: 6:06

Unsurprisingly, it's pure into election interference, is what it is. I mean, we had election theft in 2020 and now we have election interference. We're again. Like I said just now, trump is being tied up with legal persecutions and Nobody could really point to anything that he's done wrong.

Speaker 3: 6:28

The other point he made on a couple of days ago was why did they wait two and a half years to bring these charges now, in the middle of Trump's winning campaign? Why didn't they? Why didn't they do it back then? I mean, surely it was urgent? You know Trump was lying about the 2020, but that's another objection I have shown is that President Trump, as a citizen of the United States, is perfectly entitled to say that he believes the election was stolen. It the First Amendment guarantees that, and and for you know, the entire executive branch to come after him just for saying the election was stolen is a very fine line here between, you know, citizen Donald J Trump's first amendment rights and being a banana republic, which many, many conservative commentators are using that phrase these days. Yeah, you're not quite there yet, but the signs are not good.

Speaker 1: 7:33

Right, and they would have to prove that he actually believed that the election was fair and square, when it all the public record shows that he didn't believe the election was was done properly. And so let's talk about the discovery process for this case. He would get an opportunity in a court of law to present the facts that he proof, evidence that the election was not done properly, election fraud, anomalies, things that he's certainly talked about quite a bit already but able to put in the public record in the court of law. How could that play out?

Speaker 3: 8:11

Well, remember what he can call upon. He can call upon the entire intelligence apparatus from when he was president. Now I think you're smoking your socks if you don't think that the NSA and the friendly faction, one of the friendly factions of the CIA they were logging just about absolutely every single electronic transaction on. You know, the night of November the 7th 2020 was November the 7th, can't remember? Yeah, election day 2020. They, they were logging all the transfers to Italy, to Frankfurt and back. They had. They were tracing every single Dominion machine. They were. You know.

Speaker 3: 8:58

I mean, we saw from 2000 mules that private organizations were keeping an eye on election fraud. But Trump is going to. Trump is going to come to court and say, look, the real space force, you know the one that we don't know about, but that I do. Yeah, it was looking from on high, it was, it was helping, you know, tabulate all the election fraud that took place in every single state. So this is why I think the left is playing a dangerous game for in duchy, and I mean he wants to be arrested and he wants to step in a courtroom. I don't think they're going to take the risk of assassinating, doing an Epstein on him in it when he's in, if he's, if he's ever finds himself in jail, because they would unleash violence on a scale that they just could not contain. I mean, yeah, 80 million patriots, that would definitely take things to.

Speaker 1: 9:56

That would take things to a new level, wouldn't it, of outrage and at this point this is a friendly level of outrage that people have, the type of outrage that gets people to open up their pocketbooks and donate money to Donald Trump's campaign for presidents.

Speaker 1: 10:13

But you know, you're talking about the type of evidence that a lot of patriots have really wanted to see over the last few years and we've been wondering why haven't we been able to find a venue? Why haven't we really been able to show the type of evidence that we want to show, when we know, like you said, that there there were agencies, independent and governmental, that were tracking these things, and you mentioned Space Force. So could it be that all this time, the White hats, trump and his team have been waiting for this moment to to showcase the evidence, and now that that the spotlight is on on Trump and he's able to get on CNN or on the mainstream media and talk about this topic, he's able to present it in the court of law in the public record? That would be really interesting. Any any further thoughts on that?

Speaker 3: 11:13

I don't be great because it would mean that you know, we'd have a constitutional crisis sometime next year, I think and I'm not obviously I'm not privy to any of their plans. Sadly, I think that things are going to have to get a lot worse. I'm hearing from my sources that the reason I mean I get asked this question all the time well, they know a rest, and I think the reason is that the forces for good need, they need the West to collapse and they need the US to collapse, because taking a sledgehammer somebody said it put it to me the other day taking a sledgehammer to the swamp, well, to DC and to all these structures, would just trigger too much conflict and too many dead man switches, and I believe Trump is being extraordinarily careful about not provoking civil war 2.0. I'm more convinced than ever now that the Q operation, for instance, was designed to sort of divert the more radical amongst us from overthrowing the US government and instead divert us into thinking for ourselves and asking questions, and I think it was very successful at that. So, whether there's a, trump of course has a scenario planned out so that he knows if the left are stupid enough to chuck him in jail, then he's just going to his plans, for that will kick into gear.

Speaker 3: 12:44

If they don't, and they're just doing a, they're just going to keep this lawfare up and try and type his campaign with lawsuits and indictments that aren't worth the paper they're written on, then, yeah, I think there'll be some effect on his campaign, but he's 40 points ahead of everyone. What are you going to do? Are you going to try and I mean short of Trump killing somebody on live TV? All the supporters that voted for him last time what was it? 85 million Plus a whole bunch more from the moderate middle, are going to vote for him, just as it becomes clear that the Biden administration is just completely corrupt and absolutely crazy. Yeah, it's a risky strategy, so I don't know what they have planned. I'm sure they have the usual raft of false flags and fear mongering, but their long, their sort of medium term plan to the end of 2024,. It'll be interesting to watch to see how it plays out, but I think the possibility is in between those two scenarios there.

Speaker 1: 14:03

Right, and maybe they will pull out Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom or someone to try to be the savior figure, but they can't win an election, so they'd have to steal one again somehow, and I don't think anyone will stand for that. So they'll have to do a financial collapse or some type of maybe a cyber pandemic, as they've predicted themselves something to disrupt the ability for that kind of power transfer. That's inevitable really at this point. But yeah, I agree with you that Trump has purposefully, from January 6, I mean, think of what he could have done on January 6. He could have incited people to protest in the streets across the country, or far more, but he didn't.

Speaker 1: 14:55

And I have to say, in Brazil, where I live, bolsonaro also did the same thing. He stopped a people's movement of truckers and various people from national strikes and from shutting down the country. It's like he, bolsonaro and Trump, it's like they have something up their sleeve, like they know that, hey, let's keep our populist movements under control, we'll activate them when the time is right, and the time is not right yet. And so, in Brazil, lula carries on like he's a legitimate president.

Speaker 1: 15:27

In America, biden carries on like he's a legitimate president, and so there's this veneer of legitimacy, and yet that is going to probably be removed very soon and I don't know what shape is going to take in the US, whether Biden's just going to stroke out one day when he falls down the stairs of Air Force One, or whether it's an impeachment or something else, but I think his time is limited. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back want to ask you about the very insightful video that came out of South Africa and what racism is like and what political and racial violence is like in South Africa, where you live, as soon as we get back.

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Speaker 1: 17:10

That would be the worst nightmare for a lot of white South Africans. And if I could only imagine in America what it would be like if you had a stadium full of black people saying kill white people, kill white people. So the New York Times put out a soft piece about how we shouldn't take the words literally to kill the poor, kill the farmer, covering for type of political, radical political activism and rhetoric. So someone who would know a thing or two about what it's like on the ground would be Paul Ferber, who lives in South Africa. Paul, tell me about this, this event, this movement, the person who was on the screen, the supporters. And is that par for the course in South Africa to say kill the poor, kill the farmer?

Speaker 3: 18:02

Yeah, yes and no. The guy on screen is a radical, a far left political leader. He's the head of the economic freedom fighters and he was kicked out of the ANC about 10 years ago. I believe that it was all engineered. The ANC kicked him out. He then formed a new political party, but I'm pretty sure he's there to fill the gap of the really militant black South Africans. So he's like. He's like their figurehead.

Speaker 3: 18:36

The song itself has a long history. It's an anti apartheid song and funny enough about I think it was 2011, the high court in this province ruled that it was hate speech, which is a no no in our constitution. But last year he was, you know, he was in court again and they found that the song you know which basically? It's basically kill the boy, kill the farmer, as you heard in, you know, in the vernacular. It wasn't, it wasn't meant to be taken literally and that the referred reference to boy didn't literally refer to white Afrikaans people. It didn't in inside hatred towards white people and the song wasn't hate speech. I mean absolute nonsense, because of course it is. I couldn't get it Away with, you know, composing a song called kill Julius Malema. I would be prosecuted for hate speech. So At the issue here is that, unfortunately, a lot of his supporters do take what he says very seriously.

Speaker 3: 19:51

And farm murders are a thing. They've, although they've dropped off a little bit last year and this year, they are still. You know there's still hundreds of people, you know there's still hundreds of brutal farm attacks every single year against farmers in this country, which is terrible. I believe 4,000 plus farmers have been murdered in this country since 1994, when we, you know, when the country became a democracy, and you know just the human cost, the economic cost, the cost to the country has been incalculable. But Africa is different, you know. You see, malema and the EFF had a big, had a big demonstration a couple of months ago where they only managed to. They only managed to cobble together a few dozen protesters. So I think they realized that was a failure and whoever's funding them decided that you need to, you need to turn the temperature up a bit and make everyone fearful again.

Speaker 3: 21:01

I mean, yeah, he's a puppet, he's playing a role, he's I don't know, he's funded by the law. Doesn't allow us to dig into the funding of political parties in this country. More is the pity, because then we probably find out, as per usual, that it's both sides stirring up trouble. The vast majority of people just want to get on with their lives, and I think this rabble rousing, yeah, it does cause uncertainty and annoyance, but it hasn't been particularly successful, except, of course, against farmers.

Speaker 3: 21:33

And there's some evidence that the government is involved. I mean, I've seen photographs of farm invaders carrying military grade cell phone jammers on their backs, so that's not something you can just buy at the local hardware store. That is serious military hardware, and for them to have got that means that the military were involved. But you know, was it rogue elements of the military who have their orders, or was it just guys who broke in to a military compound? I mean, the number of weapons stolen from the police in this country is in the tens of thousands. So, yeah, to summarize, we are collapsing slowly at the moment, but it will then it will become all of a sudden, sooner or later, and I think the you know the powers behind the scenes want to stir it up and make it as uncertain as possible. Can you tell me about?

Speaker 1: 22:30

the rhetoric, the political rhetoric nowadays from that radical party, or maybe even from the mainstream political parties. Do they blame white people or land owners or farmers for the problems in the country, do they demonize those people? And then is there political violence that's racially driven.

Speaker 3: 22:50

Yes, yes, it does happen. A lot less than you might think, but it does happen. I mean it's also. I mean, a very senior black guy once told me that in their culture when Malema sings something like this, you know, kill the boa, kill the farmer, then that is actually a direct incitement to him personally, and he used to live in rural South Africa to turn up the next day and get things done. So you know, it is a lie that this is not inciting violence, because it is absolutely inciting violence.

Speaker 3: 23:27

But, why do they attack farmers Is?

Speaker 1: 23:30

it. Because? Are these burglaries? Are they trying to steal something of value?

Speaker 3: 23:35

Why do they murder the people? Well, yeah, because I mean, when you have someone with 85 IQ who believes that whites are his enemy and that, you know, whites have all the things, whites have all the stuff, why don't I have all the stuff? Let me just kill him and take it, because there's no, you know, they have no concept of the future. Funnily enough, I saw a US study which was done on white prisoners, on IQ below 85 and below, on prisoners where these guys couldn't actually conceive of how another person felt. You know, that was something completely unable. They were unable to grasp the concept of my actions hurt someone else. So now drop another 10, 20 IQ points and you get. You get the mentality amongst some of the very poor rural people. I'm not saying all of them, I'm not saying all of them at low IQ, far from it.

Speaker 1: 24:36

But in general, yeah, criminals often are, and murderers can be as well. So I'm definitely getting your point there. So, yeah, when you have a political leader who makes this type of statement or sings a type of song, there are some lackeys at the bottom level who will act on it. It's like activating this type of militant underclass, and I'm just trying to imagine in the United States, because we already had the BLM riots and so forth, and we had different politicians saying things like burn it all down. And then they did. They burnt police stations down, and so forth. So I do believe that these words the politicians and various activist leaders say it's so easy to hide behind it and say no, don't take it literally. But that's exactly how normal people and low IQ people do take things quite literally. So I think there's quite a double standard, though, isn't there? Whenever President Trump says, go go home peacefully, they say, well, don't take that literally. He actually meant do an insurrection and overthrow the government, but when they say kill white people, it suddenly is very metaphorical.

Speaker 2: 25:56

Yeah, yeah, the same rules apply here.

Speaker 3: 26:00

Exactly the same rules apply here. You know, somebody can make a racist remark in passing, in private, and they'll get, you know, jumped on by the media and by the, you know, the courts, and they'll have to pay a huge fine. But political leaders can, you know, chant and scream and shout for murder. But we're not supposed to take that literally.

Speaker 1: 26:27

Obviously it does need some process right. I know where you're going with that, but someone should not compose a song to do anything because we can't do what they do or else we'll end up in a big mess. But how do you see things playing out in South Africa, politically, economically? And what about you and your family? You've been there as things have been deteriorating. What's?

Speaker 3: 26:56

your plan To be a mad survivalist? Yeah, I'll be fine, you know, grow my own food, become resilient, that kind of thing. Yeah, I know I've lived in areas which have collapsed before and you just got to keep your head down and comply when you must and resist when you can. And I think, long term, the way this plays out I believe I said this a couple of weeks ago I believe the Western Cape will secede and it will be mainly white people driven. In other words, it'll just one day well, these things don't happen just suddenly, overnight. More so pretty.

Speaker 3: 27:40

But eventually the people of the Western Cape will reach a tipping point, they will snap and they will just kick the ANC out of the province and it'll be violent and very uncertain and I think a lot of people will come to help from overseas. A lot of white people will come to the Western Cape and will help in the conflict. I am not in the Western Cape, I am in the Eastern chaotic part of the country that I think is going to devolve into a hundred little enclaves with warlords duking it out amongst themselves for local power. I mean right now this province has completely lost control of vast areas of the underground mining. They are just completely overrun by illegal miners who are heavily armed, have explosives, they have automatic weapons and they basically rule underground. I mean, our police chief admitted the other day that he cannot control.

Speaker 1: 28:41

It reminds me of Afghanistan. This is exactly what you just described. It already is warlord controlled in some territories there, and it could happen in the US with Texas seceding. Even in the Pacific Northwest they've talked about seceding, along with the Vancouver, canada, british Columbia and parts of Washington want to join Idaho. So we're already seeing this type of balkanization. Paul, thank you for your insights. We wish you and your family the best there as you survive what's going on in South Africa. Thanks for keeping us informed along the way and thank you all of you for watching ampnewsus. We are America's Patriot only network. Go to our website, register for AMP Insider. Every Thursday you can talk to our show host live, get your questions answered. Go to Sean Morgan reportcom get my breaking news updates. God bless all you Patriots. Good night. God bless you.